Nosferatu. Does this word not sound like the midnight call of the Bird of Death? – Nosferatu (1922)
Nosferatu (1922)
In this conversation, John and Katherine discuss the origins and influence of vampires in literature and film, focusing on Bram Stoker’s Dracula and the unauthorized adaptation Nosferatu (1922). They explore the plot and themes of Dracula, including the fear of sickness and the codification of vampire rules. They then delve into the production and legal battles surrounding Nosferatu, highlighting the occult influences and the actions taken by Florence Balcombe, Bram Stoker’s widow, to protect the rights to Dracula. Despite attempts to destroy the film, Nosferatu (1922) has endured and become a cultural icon. This conversation explores various themes related to the cultural impact and consumption of vampire movies, as well as the legal battles and copyright issues surrounding the film Nosferatu (1922). The discussion delves into the concept of public art and the rights of creators, as well as the influence of popular folklore and the role of travel narratives in shaping cultural perceptions. The conversation also touches on the physicality of Max Schreck’s performance in ‘Nosferatu’ and the enduring legacy of vampire movies in popular culture.
Transcript – Nosferatu (1922) with Katherine
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Okay.
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Today we’re going to talk about vampires, Dracula, and a whole bit.
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And that’s why I’ve got Katherine with me.
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Hello, Katherine. Hi.
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Good to be here.
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I heard you got a lot of information for us.
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I do, I’ve definitely
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read some academic stuff about vampires.
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In the past, I’ve consumed a lot of vampire content, as you can imagine.
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growing up, big horror fan.
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So this is very much in my wheelhouse.
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Well, why don’t you just,
take off and let’s get going.
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Okay, so Dracula is about.
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Wait.
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I thought we were talking about Nosferatu.
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This isn’t about Dracula, right?
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Or is it?
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So let’s start from the beginning.
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We’ll start with Bram Stoker,
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who wrote his novel Dracula in 1897.
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It’s an epistolary novel.
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You know that word?
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I do not know that word.
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I love this word.
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It’s such a pedantic thing to say,
but I love it because it just means
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that it’s told in letters and diary entries and things like that.
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It’s somewhat similar to Frankenstein, too.
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It was kind of, a thing that people were doing there, for a while. But
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basically what is told
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in the story is just as important as what’s not told in this story.
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It’s the shadow of the vampire.
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which will come back in 2000.
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Yes, yes.
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so we have our narrator, Jonathan.
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Jonathan is a London lawyer.
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He has a fiancée.
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Fiancée’s name is Mina.
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and Jonathan is hired
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to go to Transylvania and help.
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the guy basically purchase land in London
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and, like, get his estate in order and bring him back to London.
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Right.
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Of course, this is mostly just a ploy
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for Dracula to get to London, right?
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This is all familiar so far, so.
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I’ve read most of this novel.
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I have not ever finished it,
but I read most of it.
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so Jonathan is, like,
kind of this silly, oblivious dude.
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He shows up in the Carpathian mountains and he’s talking to these like,
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Slavic people
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and doesn’t really speak their language,
and they’re like, trying to warn him.
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They’re giving him all these talismans.
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They’re doing all these things to try to prevent,
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you know, him from dying,
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from being killed by Dracula because they know what he really is.
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They know what he does.
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but he’s just like, oh,
these nice people, they’re so friendly.
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They’re giving me all these things.
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They love me, blah, blah, blah.
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So he works for Dracula.
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He gets, their affairs in order,
gets them all back to London.
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Meanwhile, his fiancée, Mina starts
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hanging out with this girl, Lucy.
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And Lucy starts to get sick
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and they bring in this doctor.
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You might have heard of him.
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His last name is Van Helsing.
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To see really old and they’re like super thick glasses.
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Yeah, that’s exactly the guy I picked up on Dracula with me.
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Exactly.
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He’s an academic.
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he’s a smart guy, right?
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So he comes in and he figures out the whole situation, yada, yada, yada.
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They formulate a plan.
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They kill Dracula.
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They cut his head off and stake him at the same time.
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That’s the end.
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So the book was super popular,
very well liked.
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Obviously, it’s still a big part of
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our likes were zeitgeist, right?
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This novel really codified the way we think of vampires.
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They codified the rules of vampires.
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The like, how they act, what they do,
their routines, all that kind of stuff.
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It all is traced back to this novel,
right?
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Okay.
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And I did want to talk to you about that later, about, the powers
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that this Orlock had compared to the powers that Dracula had.
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Okay.
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You may know a little bit more about that than me, so I’ll let you go.
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That.
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now, obviously
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with a novel like this, there is a lot of thematic stuff
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You know, the anti-Semitism.
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You could talk about race and racism.
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You could talk about
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sickness, the fear of being sick.
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Right?
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This girl Lucy, she gets sick.
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She gets like a wasted disease.
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What is that similar to?
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Yeah.
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Well, that’s, What is it similar to?
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tuberculosis? Oh, tuberculosis. Okay.
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Oh. You know,
I was going to say that the,
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They’ll use that pretty well in Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter (2012).
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Because his mother had the wasting disease.
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She died of a wasting disease.
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So I didn’t know this.
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I just looked this up.
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But apparently during the 1800s.
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So, like,
basically kind of that whole century,
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that was like one of the big peaks of tuberculosis, specifically in Europe.
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Apparently,
a quarter of the adult population
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was killed by tuberculosis in Europe during the 19th century.
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So you get the press that the Black Plague gets no.
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The Black Plague was pretty awful.
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But there’s something romantic in the capital
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R Romantic sense about tuberculosis,
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because it’s not really pus
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and disgusting the way that the bubonic plague was.
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what happens when you have
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tuberculosis?
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You get pale, you get.
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Then you get tired.
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Hollows, sunken eyes.
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You’re coughing up a little bit of blood.
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You have red lips, you know, it’s.
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You see what I’m saying?
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Yeah. It’s very vampire.
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Very vampire.
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Willowy thin vampire people.
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So you can see that connection.
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Unless you deal with,
unless you go with, Sookie Stackhouse,
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and then you’re the kind of vampire you stay the way you were bitten.
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So, like, if you’re fat and lazy, you stay fat and lazy as a vampire.
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Yeah.
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See, but they are playing on those rules
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that we learned from Dracula, right?
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Everything just builds on, this, like, set of rules.
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Because really, if you go back and look at vampires like folkloric
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vampires, you’re looking at like 1500s.
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You know, before we really understood
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the decay and decomposition
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process of the human body.
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Vampires had a lot more in common with zombies.
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Oh, zombies. Yeah. Oh, yes.
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Yes. So like,
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they were not necessarily,
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these beautiful night walker type people, they were very like,
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not much going on up here and like just mindlessly
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eating consuming.
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They did that with the,
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the older vampires in, interview with the original Interview
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With A Vampire (1994)
and the Anne Rice book.
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Because Anne Rice did her research.
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so, anyway,
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a lot of these things,
we could talk a lot
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about these themes, but I think we could move on into Nosferatu.
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so we didn’t see a Dracula.
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adaptation to film until 1931.
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So how does this relate to Nosferatu (1922)?
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Well,
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Nosferatu is kind of
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kind of a crazy situation in general.
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Right?
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You want to start with the production
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company that created Nosferatu?
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the production company was called Prana.
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And Prana is like this Hindu concept,
I believe.
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I don’t know too much about it,
but one of the guys, one of the two guys
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who started the company in 1921
was this man named Alvin Growl.
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And Alvin was a theosophy.
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Theosophy.
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This the he belonged to Theosophy,
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which was a occult religion
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that was started by Madame Helena Blavatsky.
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And I don’t know if you know much about any of that.
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I do not.
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so the thing in the same vein as,
like Alistair
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Crowley, Edgar Casey,
like those kinds of people,
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you know, people who were like, trying to kind of break
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from Western religion and started looking more at like eastern things.
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And they were looking more into, like
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mystical stuff, spiritualism.
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This is all kind of coinciding with spiritualism.
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Occult is and it’s all kind of you get where I’m going with this.
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Yeah.
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So this guy, decided
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that he wanted to open up a production
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company studio hat would make a occult film.
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So, their first foray into occult films was going to be a vampire movie.
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Now, did they
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get the rights to Dracula?
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And I think they tried. Maybe just money.
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They didn’t.
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They tried all.
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They didn’t at this point?
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Bram Stoker had passed away already. Right.
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So the person who was in charge of the rights was
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his wife, and her name was.
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Mrs. Bram Stoker.
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Stoker.
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No, her name was Florence Balcombe.
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Oh, okay.
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So we’ll get we’ll talk a little bit more about her later.
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but she had no idea about this movie until after it had already premiered.
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Okay.
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So anyway, instead of paying the money to get the rights to the real Dracula,
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they basically just hired a guy to
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make a few changes.
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So we already kind of talked about Dracula’s what do you want?
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You watched this Nosferatu movie more recently than I have to.
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Do you want to run us through a little bit about the plot
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and see what the similarities are?
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Well, it’s very similar.
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I mean, he, the, Hutter is a lawyer or,
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a realty agent. Oh, yeah.
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And he goes over there and he gets called to Transylvania,
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Walchia, as they used to call it,
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back in the day.
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And, makes the transactions Dracula bites or.
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I’m sorry.
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Count Orlok.
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Yeah, a few times.
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And, leaves him locked in the castle when he leaves,
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you know, and, but he breaks out,
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follows, and they have a great chase.
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You know, Dracula is on the boat.
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It’s not called the Demiter Orlock Oh.
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I’m boy. Okay, so they have a big chase.
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Orlok is on the boat, and,
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Hutter is escaped and is following him,
and they’re in pursuit.
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So while that one story is going on, the other stories going on, he is,
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of course, seen the picture of his wife.
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And her name is.
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I wrote it down to Ellen.
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Ellen you seen Ellen And, white.
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Is this crazy for her?
And it just happens.
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They get a they sell him the house.
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It’s right across the street.
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the, Hutter’s boss is the,
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head broker, and he goes crazy and gets in the mental hospital.
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So what I thought I was talking about a while ago, the Orlock’s he’s already
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reaching all the way to England and controlling Helen and England.
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It’s actually Germany.
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Germany? Yes.
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Wisburg Wisburg, So good catch.
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So it’s actually. Yeah.
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So he’s already reaching ahead and projecting much more,
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telepathic control than Dracula did in the movie, you know?
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So anyway, he goes there and Ellen is reading the book.
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You know, about that Hutter brings back
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about dealing with vampires and
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she figures out a way to kill him by making him
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him miss the crowing of the cock in the morning.
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That’s why she sacrifices herself for the.
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Good, because he’s so,
so distracted by her beauty or whatever.
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And then she’s freely giving red blood.
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Yeah.
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And, really, she looked kind of creepy through the whole movie with big eyes
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and always walking.
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Around in silent era movie.
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Yeah, but, I mean. It was worse.
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It was worse than that.
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She looked like, something scared her right away, and she walked around.
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And a lot of people in this movie walked around in Nightclothes.
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She was wearing a nightgown.
00:13:36,833 –> 00:13:42,291
the Helsing character was, wearing a robe a lot of the time.
00:13:42,291 –> 00:13:45,125
There were a lot of pajama scenes in this movie, too.
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I thought it was an interesting.
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But the ship, Orlock kills off the crew one by one.
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And of course, it.
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The captain lashes himself to the wheel
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at the end,
but the rats were still alive.
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And the one thing I thought on the ship.
00:14:02,166 –> 00:14:06,083
So he didn’t feed on the small animals first, like you would think.
00:14:06,416 –> 00:14:09,416
Yeah. Try to keep it up and then
00:14:09,416 –> 00:14:12,791
everywhere the ports they touch,
they think the plague is coming
00:14:12,791 –> 00:14:16,708
out of the Black Sea and all that,
but they call it a stigmata.
00:14:16,708 –> 00:14:19,416
The two marks on the neck, a stigma.
00:14:19,416 –> 00:14:20,583
Yes, exactly.
00:14:20,583 –> 00:14:21,083
And I thought,
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well, that’s really interesting because there’s an inversion there
00:14:24,750 –> 00:14:26,583
between Orlok and Dracula. Right.
00:14:26,583 –> 00:14:31,250
Especially because Orlok has kind of been considered,
00:14:31,250 –> 00:14:35,250
you know, an anti-Semitic caricature.
00:14:36,041 –> 00:14:37,791
You didn’t know that. Okay. No, I did not know that.
00:14:37,791 –> 00:14:40,791
What’s that? Based on?
00:14:41,083 –> 00:14:43,833
Oh, because he’s making him a bad guy.
00:14:43,833 –> 00:14:44,666
Well, yeah.
00:14:44,666 –> 00:14:47,250
Have you. Seen that?
The vampire is always a bad guy.
00:14:48,291 –> 00:14:50,166
There’s all the poisoning of the.
00:14:50,166 –> 00:14:54,500
Well, thing with Jews in history, right?
00:14:54,875 –> 00:14:58,041
Oh, this plague was caused by Jews.
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This thing was caused by Jews. Right.
00:15:00,583 –> 00:15:04,791
So, like, if he’s going from port to port and people are dying
00:15:06,000 –> 00:15:07,208
from this, like, oh, no.
00:15:07,208 –> 00:15:09,583
I didn’t. Rat.
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Yeah. You know.
00:15:11,083 –> 00:15:12,625
Like, I did not know any of that.
00:15:12,625 –> 00:15:14,458
Oh, that’s very interesting.
00:15:14,458 –> 00:15:16,791
Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead.
00:15:16,791 –> 00:15:20,458
Oh I was just going to say, I mean,
I don’t think it’s necessarily coincidence
00:15:20,458 –> 00:15:24,791
that or like, looks kind of like a rat.
00:15:24,791 –> 00:15:27,791
He has a very pointy
00:15:27,916 –> 00:15:30,791
rat like appearance.
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Which is little pointy fingers. Yeah.
00:15:33,666 –> 00:15:36,833
And the rats were responsible for the Black plague because of the fleas
00:15:36,833 –> 00:15:39,833
on the rat,
because they killed all the cats and dogs
00:15:40,416 –> 00:15:43,416
and made the rats population boom.
00:15:43,750 –> 00:15:46,041
And that’s where you are, in fact.
Or maybe not. So.
00:15:46,041 –> 00:15:46,750
Fun fact.
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But Jews got blamed for the Black Plague, too.
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I didn’t know that I really like the Orlock, like the way he looks.
00:15:54,000 –> 00:15:55,916
Even if you say he looks like a rat.
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It’s different.
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And I like the way they’ve incorporated that, that style of vampire
00:16:01,166 –> 00:16:04,833
into, like, what we do in the shadows, into more modern and dark.
00:16:05,125 –> 00:16:07,583
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it’s one of the styles.
00:16:07,583 –> 00:16:09,458
Yeah. He’s a Nosferatu guy.
00:16:09,458 –> 00:16:11,291
Yeah, yeah.
00:16:11,291 –> 00:16:14,625
So anyway, it’s very similar to the movie,
you know what I mean?
00:16:14,625 –> 00:16:16,958
You know, it’s very similar to Dracula. It’s.
00:16:16,958 –> 00:16:19,291
They didn’t change very much.
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No, there’s only, like a few more.
00:16:22,500 –> 00:16:25,000
I will say that Nosferatu definitely
00:16:25,000 –> 00:16:29,166
does feel more occult in a lot of ways,
00:16:29,666 –> 00:16:33,208
because, like, there’s all that kind of, like, almost telepathic stuff.
00:16:33,208 –> 00:16:37,708
She’s like dreaming about the about Nosferatu and like,
00:16:37,708 –> 00:16:42,416
all that sort of stuff, but like, it’s really very similar.
00:16:42,625 –> 00:16:44,958
I will say
00:16:44,958 –> 00:16:48,041
that one of the earliest exposures
00:16:48,041 –> 00:16:52,750
that I had to Nosferatu was from a SpongeBob
00:16:52,750 –> 00:16:55,875
SquarePants episode that aired in 2002.
00:16:56,750 –> 00:17:01,000
There’s just a really random bit because it’s like kind of a spooky episode, right?
00:17:01,291 –> 00:17:06,000
And then just like at the end, there’s just this little like joke where like,
00:17:06,083 –> 00:17:08,875
oh no, the lights were flickering and that was so scary.
00:17:08,875 –> 00:17:09,333
Oh no.
00:17:09,333 –> 00:17:12,416
Actually, it turns out it was just Nosferatu over there flipping
00:17:12,416 –> 00:17:15,416
the light switch like, why?
00:17:15,958 –> 00:17:17,125
I have no idea.
00:17:17,125 –> 00:17:21,458
And I mean, it’s so interesting that this movie has, like,
00:17:21,458 –> 00:17:26,250
such a place in the cultural zeitgeist,
being such a blatant rip off.
00:17:26,666 –> 00:17:30,083
I mean, they both have their own places,
but it’s very interesting.
00:17:30,958 –> 00:17:32,125
He brought that back now.
00:17:32,125 –> 00:17:34,416
So if I’m understanding correctly,
00:17:34,416 –> 00:17:37,875
when the widow found out she took legal action against this.
00:17:37,875 –> 00:17:40,791
Movie, yes, I can tell you a little bit more about that. Yes.
00:17:40,791 –> 00:17:43,916
So her name, like I said, was Florence Balcombe.
00:17:43,916 –> 00:17:46,291
Both her and Bram Stoker were Irish.
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I didn’t know that until today.
00:17:47,916 –> 00:17:50,250
I thought I always thought he was English.
00:17:51,666 –> 00:17:53,583
And fun fact,
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Florence dated,
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Oscar Wilde before she married Bram Stoker.
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But that’s puts her in a pretty small club.
00:18:04,583 –> 00:18:06,125
yeah, I would say so.
00:18:06,125 –> 00:18:09,208
But, you know, also, fun fact Bram Stoker
00:18:09,208 –> 00:18:13,875
had some homosexuality allegations,
too. So,
00:18:15,208 –> 00:18:18,208
maybe that was just Florence’s type.
00:18:18,458 –> 00:18:20,375
Maybe. Maybe, I don’t know.
00:18:20,375 –> 00:18:27,375
So anyway, the premiere of Nosferatu was actually, like, a big to do in Berlin.
00:18:27,416 –> 00:18:27,875
Apparently.
00:18:27,875 –> 00:18:31,125
It was like,
it was premiered at a really nice theater
00:18:31,458 –> 00:18:36,375
with a whole big thing of an orchestra as silent films were intended.
00:18:36,375 –> 00:18:36,875
Right.
00:18:36,875 –> 00:18:39,750
and so she didn’t
00:18:39,750 –> 00:18:42,750
find out until she basically received an anonymous letter.
00:18:42,958 –> 00:18:48,791
I learned a lot of this from the,
when the Women’s Museum of Ireland.
00:18:48,791 –> 00:18:50,833
So that’s where I got a lot of that information.
00:18:50,833 –> 00:18:53,333
All this stuff about her. And, like, dating Oscar Wilde.
00:18:53,333 –> 00:18:54,833
So I thought that was really cool.
00:18:54,833 –> 00:18:59,958
but anyway, I guess because it was sort of location
00:18:59,958 –> 00:19:03,833
locked up until that point,
it was really just kind of a German film
00:19:04,166 –> 00:19:06,916
premiering in Germany,
and it wasn’t necessarily like
00:19:06,916 –> 00:19:11,666
a big international thing until she found out about it.
00:19:11,666 –> 00:19:15,625
And then she,
she did not have that many means.
00:19:15,625 –> 00:19:17,041
Honestly, at that point.
00:19:17,041 –> 00:19:21,041
So she joined this thing called the Society of Authors, I guess.
00:19:21,041 –> 00:19:23,750
And it’s like a union type situation, right?
00:19:23,750 –> 00:19:28,125
Because when her husband died, she was kind of the executor
00:19:28,125 –> 00:19:31,750
of his literary works and stuff like that. So
00:19:33,041 –> 00:19:34,083
she joined them, and they
00:19:34,083 –> 00:19:37,750
helped her through a three year legal battle.
00:19:38,916 –> 00:19:42,000
So what she won out of that three year legal battle,
00:19:42,958 –> 00:19:45,250
5,000 pounds.
00:19:45,250 –> 00:19:47,916
That’s a pretty good bit of money, though.
00:19:47,916 –> 00:19:51,666
so I did do some calculations, according to the Bank of England,
00:19:51,666 –> 00:19:57,791
that in today’s money would be about
260,000 pounds, which in U.S.
00:19:57,791 –> 00:20:04,541
dollars is 330,000, basically U.S.
00:20:04,541 –> 00:20:07,291
dollars.
So you could buy a house with that.
00:20:07,291 –> 00:20:07,625
Yeah.
00:20:07,625 –> 00:20:11,291
I mean, therefore they’re paying actors,
you know, $20 a week or something back
00:20:11,291 –> 00:20:13,833
then, you know, 20. Yeah. No kidding.
00:20:13,833 –> 00:20:15,416
But, yeah.
00:20:15,416 –> 00:20:18,041
So that wasn’t the only stipulation.
00:20:18,041 –> 00:20:19,333
That’s not the only thing she won.
00:20:19,333 –> 00:20:20,833
Do you know what the other thing she won was?
00:20:20,833 –> 00:20:23,541
Yes, I do, but go ahead. Oh, wow. Okay.
00:20:25,541 –> 00:20:27,791
They had to destroy
00:20:27,791 –> 00:20:30,875
every copy of the movie right now.
00:20:30,875 –> 00:20:31,916
They didn’t they didn’t.
00:20:31,916 –> 00:20:32,791
Did they do that?
00:20:32,791 –> 00:20:34,125
They clearly did not.
00:20:34,125 –> 00:20:39,583
Because here we are in 2024, 102 years later,
00:20:40,250 –> 00:20:43,250
able to see pretty much the entire movie.
00:20:43,416 –> 00:20:44,541
Yeah, yeah.
00:20:44,541 –> 00:20:46,375
Just watched a beautifully restored copy.
00:20:46,375 –> 00:20:48,458
You’re going to had a new soundtrack with it?
00:20:48,458 –> 00:20:50,916
No modern, an updated soundtrack.
00:20:50,916 –> 00:20:52,875
It wasn’t a modern soundtrack, right?
00:20:52,875 –> 00:20:55,166
It was,
but I was thinking about that like this,
00:20:55,166 –> 00:20:58,458
a really good copy, considering that it was all supposed to be destroyed.
00:20:58,458 –> 00:21:03,000
Yeah, well,
so she also apparently had some
00:21:03,000 –> 00:21:08,458
legal battles with, Universal Studios because apparently she had heard
00:21:08,458 –> 00:21:13,500
that they were trying to acquire the rights to it too afterwards.
00:21:13,500 –> 00:21:17,166
So was like even more legal stuff for her with that.
00:21:18,125 –> 00:21:19,916
Yeah, she when
00:21:19,916 –> 00:21:22,916
they actually got the rights to Dracula (1931) and made that movie
00:21:23,375 –> 00:21:26,416
and then, then when they were going to make Dracula’s
00:21:26,416 –> 00:21:29,416
Daughter (1936), which wasn’t Dracula’s daughter at the time,
00:21:29,458 –> 00:21:32,333
the wife was wanting, you know, creative
00:21:32,333 –> 00:21:35,333
control and more money and everything.
00:21:35,500 –> 00:21:36,916
And so they did the same thing.
00:21:36,916 –> 00:21:40,833
They had somebody write a new story,
about Dracula’s daughter.
00:21:41,708 –> 00:21:44,000
basically fanfiction at that point.
00:21:44,000 –> 00:21:45,875
Yeah.
00:21:45,875 –> 00:21:47,041
Getting away with it.
00:21:47,041 –> 00:21:47,333
All right.
00:21:47,333 –> 00:21:53,166
it really I mean, that is kind of the end of the story part,
00:21:53,583 –> 00:21:56,791
but I do really think that this whole situation
00:21:56,791 –> 00:22:01,875
does bring up a really interesting discussion about copyright,
00:22:02,041 –> 00:22:05,041
public art, public consumption.
00:22:05,166 –> 00:22:07,458
What is the public owed?
00:22:07,458 –> 00:22:10,916
Because clearly, for some reason,
00:22:11,458 –> 00:22:14,041
this movie is pervasive.
00:22:14,041 –> 00:22:15,333
People wanted it.
00:22:15,333 –> 00:22:17,333
They didn’t want it to go away.
00:22:17,333 –> 00:22:18,541
They wanted to restore it.
00:22:18,541 –> 00:22:20,708
They wanted to preserve it.
00:22:20,708 –> 00:22:23,416
They wanted it to be available
00:22:24,541 –> 00:22:25,250
in the future.
00:22:25,250 –> 00:22:26,791
And here it is.
00:22:26,791 –> 00:22:29,291
Surely. Yeah.
00:22:29,291 –> 00:22:32,291
It’s and I just I mean,
00:22:32,541 –> 00:22:34,958
do I think that Florence
00:22:34,958 –> 00:22:37,958
Balcombe was wrong for,
00:22:38,000 –> 00:22:41,625
you know, wanting to be compensated for it.
00:22:41,625 –> 00:22:43,041
Absolutely not.
00:22:43,041 –> 00:22:47,041
But I don’t know that necessarily wanting it to be destroyed
00:22:47,041 –> 00:22:50,041
either was the right answer.
00:22:50,458 –> 00:22:54,041
You know, on a, on like a music infringement case,
00:22:54,708 –> 00:22:56,291
if you infringe on somebody’s music
00:22:56,291 –> 00:22:59,333
copyright, copyright,
you lose 100% of the royalty.
00:23:00,083 –> 00:23:01,875
But the songs still exist.
00:23:01,875 –> 00:23:03,333
Yeah, the song still exists,
00:23:03,333 –> 00:23:07,291
but the one way to keep them from making any more royalties is to destroy it.
00:23:07,666 –> 00:23:11,500
you know, if you look at it as a creator, like, artistic creation.
00:23:11,916 –> 00:23:14,916
You know, that’s one way to stop it forever.
00:23:15,000 –> 00:23:16,500
But it didn’t work out.
00:23:16,500 –> 00:23:20,583
No. I mean, do we still hear ice, ice, baby on the radio?
00:23:22,083 –> 00:23:22,416
You know that.
00:23:22,416 –> 00:23:26,208
But that goes ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding.
00:23:27,291 –> 00:23:29,083
Yeah, of course, of course.
00:23:29,083 –> 00:23:30,291
Hope I don’t get infringer.
00:23:30,291 –> 00:23:32,875
I don’t get a copyright strike.
00:23:32,875 –> 00:23:35,166
I’m saying, dang, you didn’t do it.
00:23:35,166 –> 00:23:38,166
Yeah, no, but I did
00:23:38,500 –> 00:23:43,041
just I mean, it is a really interesting discussion about, like.
00:23:43,500 –> 00:23:47,166
It is a really interesting discussion about art and
00:23:48,666 –> 00:23:50,833
how we consume it.
00:23:50,833 –> 00:23:55,041
And I mean, I think that the, the word consume more consumption
00:23:55,291 –> 00:23:58,666
when it comes to art is so interesting.
00:23:59,375 –> 00:24:01,958
Why do we say consume?
00:24:01,958 –> 00:24:04,416
Why do we ingest it?
00:24:04,416 –> 00:24:07,333
We take it, we chew it up, we spit it out.
00:24:07,333 –> 00:24:12,583
You know, I mean, it is purely like consumption of art is a purely.
00:24:12,875 –> 00:24:15,791
Averistic act.
00:24:15,791 –> 00:24:18,208
It is completely selfish.
00:24:18,208 –> 00:24:18,500
Okay?
00:24:18,500 –> 00:24:21,875
Because when you are supposed to invoke emotion,
00:24:22,833 –> 00:24:25,083
so you have to consume it to
00:24:25,083 –> 00:24:29,708
to get that invocation, get invoked, you know, get that emotion.
00:24:30,041 –> 00:24:30,791
But, I was,
00:24:32,166 –> 00:24:33,250
you just brought up something.
00:24:33,250 –> 00:24:35,375
I know there’s an interesting topic to you.
00:24:35,375 –> 00:24:38,375
I was listening to a podcast on Ephemeral
00:24:39,458 –> 00:24:42,583
the other day,
and it was about the UFO history
00:24:42,916 –> 00:24:46,416
and the couple that were the first ones to get to have the time blank.
00:24:46,416 –> 00:24:49,000
And we picked up Betty. And Barney Hill.
00:24:49,000 –> 00:24:50,083
Yeah, I couldn’t remember.
00:24:50,083 –> 00:24:54,125
They invented the grays,
the shape of the grays, the,
00:24:54,416 –> 00:24:57,583
the probing, you know, the whole bit.
00:24:57,583 –> 00:24:58,791
But now. Oh, yes.
00:24:58,791 –> 00:25:01,083
Belongs to everybody, you know, everybody.
00:25:01,083 –> 00:25:03,458
Grays now when they lose the.
00:25:03,458 –> 00:25:06,625
Their story, their story
00:25:07,041 –> 00:25:10,041
again, it is like the blueprint.
00:25:10,083 –> 00:25:13,625
It is the cultural that is the cultural zeitgeist.
00:25:13,625 –> 00:25:18,750
They that thing happened and everything since has been some derivation
00:25:19,458 –> 00:25:22,000
of their situation
00:25:22,000 –> 00:25:25,250
where people may be talking about aliens before that. Yes,
00:25:26,291 –> 00:25:29,708
but that is what has stuck in the cultural.
00:25:30,041 –> 00:25:32,166
Yeah. So everybody’s collective conscious.
00:25:32,166 –> 00:25:35,375
So how much, you know, when you talk about, people making deals
00:25:35,375 –> 00:25:38,500
with the devils at the crossroads,
how much of that do you own?
00:25:38,500 –> 00:25:40,208
How much of it belongs to somebody else?
00:25:40,208 –> 00:25:42,708
How much of it is cultural tradition?
00:25:42,708 –> 00:25:43,166
Yeah.
00:25:43,166 –> 00:25:46,166
You know, the
00:25:46,333 –> 00:25:48,500
really interesting concept.
00:25:48,500 –> 00:25:51,250
yeah. Well, I don’t know
00:25:51,250 –> 00:25:54,666
if you saw the Demeter,
The Last Voyage of the Demeter (2023).
00:25:54,916 –> 00:25:56,291
I had wanted to.
00:25:56,291 –> 00:25:59,750
I don’t really watch a lot of new movies.
00:25:59,750 –> 00:26:02,750
I don’t really get to the movie theater much.
00:26:02,875 –> 00:26:05,875
That’s odd that you don’t watch a lot of new movies.
00:26:06,041 –> 00:26:07,875
Where’s that come from?
00:26:07,875 –> 00:26:09,041
What do you mean?
00:26:09,041 –> 00:26:11,416
Or do you know anybody else that doesn’t watch
00:26:11,416 –> 00:26:14,458
a lot of new movies and, likes to bank on the old stuff?
00:26:14,833 –> 00:26:16,541
Yeah, I think I do.
00:26:18,041 –> 00:26:19,333
voyage of the Demeter just
00:26:19,333 –> 00:26:24,583
took a part of the Dracula story,
and it just confined it to the ship.
00:26:24,875 –> 00:26:27,458
Now Dracula started feeding on the smaller things.
00:26:27,458 –> 00:26:33,041
The, rats and then the goats and the dog and building his power up.
00:26:33,041 –> 00:26:34,708
He was weak because he.
00:26:34,708 –> 00:26:36,458
I guess because he left his home.
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And then he was all in there with the dumbest,
00:26:39,750 –> 00:26:42,375
the actual, just dumbest people in the world, you know, the.
00:26:42,375 –> 00:26:45,833
Most horror movie caricatured people ever.
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By the end of the movie, I was rooting for them to be killed.
00:26:49,250 –> 00:26:50,958
You know? Get him, get him.
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That’s the beauty, the joy of a horror film.
00:26:53,916 –> 00:26:56,458
So you understood you.
00:26:56,458 –> 00:26:57,750
You got it.
00:26:57,750 –> 00:26:58,125
Yeah.
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So anyway, it wasn’t a very good movie,
but I like I liked the concept.
00:27:02,416 –> 00:27:02,666
Yeah.
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How they pulled out a part of it and could have made a great story.
00:27:06,291 –> 00:27:07,083
Yeah. You know.
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Perhaps,
maybe if Dracula’s killed 20 people
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on your boat and every living things.
00:27:13,125 –> 00:27:14,958
And you’re just down to 1 or 2.
00:27:14,958 –> 00:27:16,833
How about you burn the boat and let it sink?
00:27:16,833 –> 00:27:18,416
You know.
00:27:18,416 –> 00:27:20,416
Your in the middle of the ocean, where are you going to go?
00:27:20,416 –> 00:27:24,166
Oh, were going to be Dracula food in another night or two.
00:27:24,666 –> 00:27:27,666
Unless you’re either Dracula food or your shark food.
00:27:29,166 –> 00:27:30,291
Yeah, that’s right.
00:27:30,291 –> 00:27:33,041
Which one’s better?
00:27:33,041 –> 00:27:34,750
Well,
I don’t know about being Dracula food
00:27:34,750 –> 00:27:37,750
because you end up being a Dracula.
00:27:37,875 –> 00:27:40,875
yeah, but at least you wouldn’t be dead.
00:27:41,333 –> 00:27:44,333
Well,
that’s another thing in that, in that,
00:27:45,458 –> 00:27:50,041
In the Nosferatu when he drained Ellen.
00:27:50,916 –> 00:27:54,166
And it was very good how, Willem Dafoe did it, where he just fell
00:27:54,166 –> 00:27:57,583
asleep, you know, and he wouldn’t wake up when he was feeding, but
00:27:58,791 –> 00:28:02,208
she woke up and then died right after it.
00:28:02,666 –> 00:28:05,958
so did he, drainer her and kill her.
00:28:05,958 –> 00:28:11,708
Or did she die because he died and was free from the lineage curse?
00:28:11,791 –> 00:28:14,916
Oh, very good question. Yeah, I don’t know.
00:28:14,958 –> 00:28:17,208
She doesn’t really answer it because. Right.
00:28:17,208 –> 00:28:20,791
I mean, if you’re being drained so much to death, you would assume
00:28:20,791 –> 00:28:24,333
that you wouldn’t be awake in the last little bit of it.
00:28:24,333 –> 00:28:27,375
You would just start passing out and pretty much be white.
00:28:27,666 –> 00:28:32,083
Because this guy was not, Count Orlok was not about making vampires.
00:28:32,083 –> 00:28:33,083
That was nice.
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He was. To death. He.
00:28:36,583 –> 00:28:36,958
Yeah.
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So consumption
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to that, Max Schreck, who played
00:28:43,875 –> 00:28:48,166
Count Orlock now, persistent rumor.
00:28:48,291 –> 00:28:49,958
And he was really a vampire.
00:28:49,958 –> 00:28:52,041
The guy went to the place.
00:28:52,041 –> 00:28:54,625
Film, you know, filmed a real vampire in,
00:28:55,791 –> 00:28:56,875
in Carpathians or
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mountains or whatever,
and then killed him at the end.
00:28:59,875 –> 00:29:02,875
Now, of course, you know,
Max Schreck was in
00:29:03,166 –> 00:29:06,916
tons of other German movies, you know,
which would have been kind of hard to do.
00:29:07,541 –> 00:29:09,375
Yeah, he.
00:29:09,375 –> 00:29:11,125
He has a Wikipedia page.
00:29:11,125 –> 00:29:14,083
So I think it was more than just one time.
00:29:14,083 –> 00:29:15,375
One movie.
00:29:15,375 –> 00:29:20,625
So the, like, up the make ups,
special effects were just.
00:29:20,625 –> 00:29:23,416
Excellent. phenomenal for the time.
00:29:23,416 –> 00:29:26,875
I mean he didn’t look like a guy in a plastic mask.
00:29:26,875 –> 00:29:28,333
No running around.
00:29:28,333 –> 00:29:30,666
You look, you know, he looked really creepy.
00:29:30,666 –> 00:29:32,750
He looks like a real Dracula.
00:29:32,750 –> 00:29:35,708
You look like a real Dracula, so much you could be convinced.
00:29:35,708 –> 00:29:39,166
And of course, they did that in Shadow of the Vampire (2000).
00:29:39,166 –> 00:29:40,875
I think we’ve talked about that before.
00:29:40,875 –> 00:29:44,666
Yes, it’s on the it’s on the blog and you can see it or listen to it,
00:29:45,666 –> 00:29:47,750
but,
how do you how do you feel about that,
00:29:47,750 –> 00:29:51,750
that little rumor and,
making of The Shadow and all that?
00:29:52,250 –> 00:29:55,791
It is a very fun, apocryphal story.
00:29:55,791 –> 00:29:59,416
Like,
of course, there’s no veracity to it, but
00:30:00,208 –> 00:30:03,208
it is a fun thing to think about.
00:30:03,541 –> 00:30:04,416
Yeah.
00:30:04,416 –> 00:30:06,958
And, there’s two guys,
00:30:06,958 –> 00:30:09,666
Willem Dafoe and, Malkovich.
00:30:09,666 –> 00:30:10,833
John Malkovich.
00:30:10,833 –> 00:30:11,666
Yeah, I was going losing
00:30:11,666 –> 00:30:15,208
John Malkovich, John Malkovich,
Willem Dafoe, and John Malkovich.
00:30:15,583 –> 00:30:20,541
They’re just so great in those two roles,
pairing off of each other.
00:30:20,666 –> 00:30:23,666
I mean, Willem Dafoe really
00:30:24,583 –> 00:30:27,833
nails that’s that Orlock like character.
00:30:27,833 –> 00:30:28,750
And I know you love the bit
00:30:28,750 –> 00:30:31,791
where he describes the bad and he because he stays in character.
00:30:31,791 –> 00:30:35,041
All these the other actors think he stays in character all the time
00:30:35,541 –> 00:30:37,916
when he snatches a bat out of the air and he.
00:30:37,916 –> 00:30:40,291
When he’s really just a weird freak.
00:30:40,291 –> 00:30:41,125
Yeah.
00:30:41,125 –> 00:30:45,416
So that, you know, Max Schreck and it was early on,
00:30:45,416 –> 00:30:48,416
you know, silent films, but his physical,
00:30:49,000 –> 00:30:53,041
the stiffness, you know, the way he turned and was very erect
00:30:53,041 –> 00:30:56,166
and everything was very deliberate, fantastic.
00:30:56,166 –> 00:31:00,083
You know, just a good use of,
like a, like a dead body,
00:31:00,083 –> 00:31:04,208
you know, he’s not just running around like, Douglas Fairbanks Jr.
00:31:04,708 –> 00:31:06,041
I don’t know. Fairbanks.
00:31:06,041 –> 00:31:07,416
Anyway, he’s not running around like that.
00:31:07,416 –> 00:31:08,666
He’s just very stiff.
00:31:08,666 –> 00:31:11,583
And he really sets the tone for this.
00:31:11,583 –> 00:31:13,000
But it wasn’t really.
00:31:13,000 –> 00:31:17,875
I mean, Dracula was a little stiffer in 32, you know, with the come here.
00:31:17,875 –> 00:31:20,166
The downward hand and the upward hand.
00:31:20,166 –> 00:31:21,666
That was his two moves. You know, it’s.
00:31:21,666 –> 00:31:26,291
Very like regal, very aristocratic.
00:31:26,666 –> 00:31:27,208
Yeah.
00:31:27,208 –> 00:31:30,208
But I’m talking about just some physical movements, you know,
00:31:30,250 –> 00:31:31,750
you know, great arm swings.
00:31:31,750 –> 00:31:33,875
You know, it was very common.
00:31:33,875 –> 00:31:35,791
Is. Yeah.
00:31:35,791 –> 00:31:39,625
So was this movie before or after Doctor Caligari?
00:31:41,125 –> 00:31:44,000
I think Caligari was in the teens, right?
00:31:44,000 –> 00:31:45,208
look that up real quick.
00:31:45,208 –> 00:31:46,500
Yeah.
00:31:46,500 –> 00:31:50,000
1920 so Caligari is right,
00:31:50,791 –> 00:31:53,791
just like before that also German,
00:31:54,750 –> 00:31:55,125
right?
00:31:55,125 –> 00:31:57,583
So, Catherine, what do you have?
00:31:57,583 –> 00:31:59,541
have any,
00:31:59,541 –> 00:32:02,541
final thoughts or you have more that you want to go over on your sheet?
00:32:03,791 –> 00:32:08,125
I think it’s like the general gist of what I was getting at.
00:32:08,125 –> 00:32:09,000
I mean.
00:32:09,000 –> 00:32:13,500
Well, it’s just it’s interesting that both of these things
00:32:13,500 –> 00:32:17,541
obviously Dracula was is hugely influential.
00:32:17,541 –> 00:32:22,458
It is still very much a part of the culture.
00:32:22,458 –> 00:32:25,416
You say Dracula,
everybody knows what you’re talking about.
00:32:25,416 –> 00:32:26,083
You know what I mean?
00:32:26,083 –> 00:32:29,083
It’s become one of those things where it’s like Band-Aid.
00:32:29,208 –> 00:32:30,750
It’s the brand,
00:32:30,750 –> 00:32:35,041
but it means all of the generic things till you can say, oh, Dracula.
00:32:35,333 –> 00:32:37,583
And people know what you mean.
00:32:38,750 –> 00:32:39,541
You know what I mean?
00:32:39,541 –> 00:32:44,375
But it’s so interesting that this German film,
00:32:45,208 –> 00:32:49,291
German silent film that could have been lost to history,
00:32:49,291 –> 00:32:53,708
has also managed to carve out a space in our,
00:32:54,333 –> 00:32:57,125
again, our cultural zeitgeist.
00:32:57,125 –> 00:32:59,083
Why is this become so important?
00:32:59,083 –> 00:33:02,083
And I think, honestly,
it’s the Streisand effect.
00:33:02,208 –> 00:33:06,166
Wanting to snuff it out made it that much more.
00:33:06,625 –> 00:33:08,041
You know, that’s it.
00:33:08,041 –> 00:33:10,291
I go for the folklore
00:33:10,291 –> 00:33:12,125
ritual of inversion.
00:33:12,125 –> 00:33:14,333
You know, vampires bit in three days.
00:33:14,333 –> 00:33:17,916
They they’re they raise and become dead as an inverse to Jesus,
00:33:17,916 –> 00:33:21,291
who was killed and raised and came back alive three days later.
00:33:21,791 –> 00:33:24,458
So I think it’s a very familiar story.
00:33:24,458 –> 00:33:27,875
If you look at the folklore, structural elements of it,
00:33:28,375 –> 00:33:31,416
do you know that I don’t know if he just came up, but,
00:33:31,416 –> 00:33:34,416
Stoker had never been to these location.
00:33:34,458 –> 00:33:37,375
He wrote all although he wrote all the descriptions
00:33:37,375 –> 00:33:40,375
from, like, travel books and stuff. Oh.
00:33:40,541 –> 00:33:43,750
I mean,
those were pretty popular people, really.
00:33:43,750 –> 00:33:47,041
I mean, ever since people started
00:33:47,375 –> 00:33:50,708
leaving Europe and exploring other places,
00:33:51,375 –> 00:33:55,500
traveled, looked like narratives were very, very popular.
00:33:55,500 –> 00:33:58,166
So that is interesting.
00:33:58,166 –> 00:33:58,416
Okay.
00:33:58,416 –> 00:34:00,958
So really, I’m going to put you on the spot right now.
00:34:00,958 –> 00:34:05,541
top three vampire movies or films ever.
00:34:06,500 –> 00:34:08,458
Oh, I mean, obviously The Lost Boys
00:34:08,458 –> 00:34:11,916
(1987)number one, bar none, bar none.
00:34:12,500 –> 00:34:15,500
honestly, I got to go OG Dracula (1932).
00:34:15,500 –> 00:34:17,333
That’s number two.
00:34:17,333 –> 00:34:19,958
Number three.
00:34:19,958 –> 00:34:20,333
Twilight.
00:34:20,333 –> 00:34:21,958
Don’t hate me.
00:34:21,958 –> 00:34:24,958
What, is that a joke?
00:34:25,250 –> 00:34:27,333
Yeah. No, I couldn’t think of a number three. I have no idea.
00:34:27,333 –> 00:34:33,291
Okay, I would for I would probably put, The Lost Boys (1987) is great.
00:34:33,291 –> 00:34:35,166
That’s a strong contender for number one.
00:34:35,166 –> 00:34:35,875
The Lost Boys.
00:34:35,875 –> 00:34:39,458
I’d really like Dracula’s Daughter (1936).
00:34:40,916 –> 00:34:43,041
And then I like the classic Dracula (1932).
00:34:43,041 –> 00:34:43,625
Yeah.
00:34:43,625 –> 00:34:48,291
You know, but Nosferatu (1922), Interview With a Vampire (1994).
00:34:48,291 –> 00:34:51,541
I haven’t seen the new one, but there is a new one coming with a TV show.
00:34:51,541 –> 00:34:53,375
There’s a TV show.
00:34:53,375 –> 00:34:56,083
It’s a lot longer form.
00:34:56,083 –> 00:34:58,208
Yeah, I read the book I did.
00:34:58,208 –> 00:35:01,208
I read the first three books of that series.
00:35:01,666 –> 00:35:04,666
broke down on the third one when they made it an Egyptian curse.
00:35:05,458 –> 00:35:06,291
Yeah. There’s,
00:35:07,583 –> 00:35:10,166
the whole series is very odd.
00:35:10,166 –> 00:35:13,416
I feel like I’ve read a lot more vampire stuff
00:35:13,416 –> 00:35:17,500
than I’ve watched vampire stuff I can’t really even think of.
00:35:17,500 –> 00:35:21,833
Like too many other vampire movies that I’ve seen.
00:35:22,208 –> 00:35:26,916
I like really,
I, I can’t even think of like any other.
00:35:26,916 –> 00:35:31,208
I mean, the only other ones I can think of are, Fright Night (1985) Yeah.
00:35:31,208 –> 00:35:32,375
I guess Fright Night.
00:35:32,375 –> 00:35:34,458
Which is a really good one too.
00:35:34,458 –> 00:35:36,500
That is a fun one.
00:35:36,500 –> 00:35:39,375
well, Katherine, thank you for coming on today.
00:35:39,375 –> 00:35:40,416
I really appreciate it.
00:35:40,416 –> 00:35:43,958
And I appreciate the information Yeah, what you put into it.
00:35:43,958 –> 00:35:46,958
And, I’ll talk to you very soon.
00:35:46,958 –> 00:35:49,125
Okay. Thanks for having me.
